Sam(antha)
21
writer

Let's be friends, yeah?
visualorgy:

boston-ivy:

visualorgy:

boston-ivy:

visualorgy:

the swastica is one of the oldest symbols used by humankind, but I can understand the problems associated with it, especially when used inside an european country (I think Finland(?) even had one in their old flag, before the war, and they removed it).
Give it a 100 years or so and everyone will forget the nazis (I hope).

ARE YOU GODDAMN KIDDING ME THE LAST THING WE WANT/NEED TO HAVE HAPPEN IS FOR PEOPLE TO FORGET THE NAZIS.
Have you even heard of Yom HaShoah? It’s Holocaust REMEMBRANCE Day because we should NEVER FORGET. EVER.
I guess you clearly don’t “understand the problems associated with it.”
Holy crap, are you goddamn kidding me.

Yes you’re right, but I was speaking about the swastika, and what it meant to the nazis, not forget the holocaust all together.

That’s the same exact thing, bud. We shouldn’t forget ANY aspect of the Holocaust. Ever. And please don’t try to say otherwise.
This seems like a pressure point for you, that is why someone did the original post and that is why there is still a long road to redeem the swastika and regard it as a symbol for good again, in the west.

"A pressure point" for me? A "pressure point?" I think my head seriously just exploded from your ignorance and condescension.
That original image was created to inform people that the swatstika is seen as a positive symbol in other religions in the east, something which I already understood and was well aware of.
However, the swatstika was NEVER used as a positive symbol in the west, EVER, and to try and “redeem” it in the west, as you said, both erases history and is an act of cultural appropriation. It’s one thing for someone who is a member of a religion that celebrates the swatstika as an ancient and positive symbol to display it, but ENTIRELY another thing for someone in the west without any of those religious ties to try and “redeem” it and ignore its status as a symbol of hatred, racism and genocide. 
Hoping for the evil stigma of the symbol to one day vanish just erases history and the horrible feelings that many people, mainly Jews like myself, have when they see it. Ignoring the fact that the swatstika will ALWAYS be viewed as a symbol of hatred in the western world is horribly offensive and ignorant, and does nothing but belittle the atrocities of the Holocaust and the way that it is used against people to this very day.
I’m extremely aware of the positive imagery it has in other eastern religions, but when the swatstika was spray painted onto the fence of the local country club in my town a few years ago, a place notorious for its subtle anti-Semitism, the sentiments of that symbol had nothing to do with positivity.

visualorgy:

boston-ivy:

visualorgy:

boston-ivy:

visualorgy:

the swastica is one of the oldest symbols used by humankind, but I can understand the problems associated with it, especially when used inside an european country (I think Finland(?) even had one in their old flag, before the war, and they removed it).

Give it a 100 years or so and everyone will forget the nazis (I hope).

ARE YOU GODDAMN KIDDING ME THE LAST THING WE WANT/NEED TO HAVE HAPPEN IS FOR PEOPLE TO FORGET THE NAZIS.

Have you even heard of Yom HaShoah? It’s Holocaust REMEMBRANCE Day because we should NEVER FORGET. EVER.

I guess you clearly don’t “understand the problems associated with it.”


Holy crap, are you goddamn kidding me.

Yes you’re right, but I was speaking about the swastika, and what it meant to the nazis, not forget the holocaust all together.

That’s the same exact thing, bud. We shouldn’t forget ANY aspect of the Holocaust. Ever. And please don’t try to say otherwise.

This seems like a pressure point for you, that is why someone did the original post and that is why there is still a long road to redeem the swastika and regard it as a symbol for good again, in the west.

"A pressure point" for me? A "pressure point?" I think my head seriously just exploded from your ignorance and condescension.

That original image was created to inform people that the swatstika is seen as a positive symbol in other religions in the east, something which I already understood and was well aware of.

However, the swatstika was NEVER used as a positive symbol in the west, EVER, and to try and “redeem” it in the west, as you said, both erases history and is an act of cultural appropriation. It’s one thing for someone who is a member of a religion that celebrates the swatstika as an ancient and positive symbol to display it, but ENTIRELY another thing for someone in the west without any of those religious ties to try and “redeem” it and ignore its status as a symbol of hatred, racism and genocide.

Hoping for the evil stigma of the symbol to one day vanish just erases history and the horrible feelings that many people, mainly Jews like myself, have when they see it. Ignoring the fact that the swatstika will ALWAYS be viewed as a symbol of hatred in the western world is horribly offensive and ignorant, and does nothing but belittle the atrocities of the Holocaust and the way that it is used against people to this very day.

I’m extremely aware of the positive imagery it has in other eastern religions, but when the swatstika was spray painted onto the fence of the local country club in my town a few years ago, a place notorious for its subtle anti-Semitism, the sentiments of that symbol had nothing to do with positivity.

(Source: hellamodified)